Showing posts with label unions. Show all posts
Showing posts with label unions. Show all posts

Sunday, July 3, 2011

Csaba Kulin on the facts & figures behind Taxpayers' Blues over Hallandale Beach City Hall's destructive spending habits

My friend and fellow Hallandale Beach activist Csaba Kulin wants everyone here who's paying attention to start getting ready for Hallandale Beach's FY 2012 budget, and provides some hard-to-believe financial numbers to chew over.
That is, if they don't make you choke first.

During the June 1st Hallandale Beach City Commission meeting, City Manager Mark Antonio mentioned that the first version of the 2011-2012 Budget will be on the City's web site by July 1, 2011.
That will give us very little time to prepare for the Monday July 18th and Tuesday the 19th budget workshops in Room 257 at City Hall, starting at 4 p.m.

In preparation for that meeting, I prepared a spread sheet from the data of the September 2010 (final version) of last year's budget. I hope the columns are self explanatory.
The bottom line tells the whole story.

The average salary of the 476 employees, from the CM to the clerks (including about 30 temporary part-time employees) is $56,158.
The average benefit is $37,825 or 67.35% of the payroll.
The AVERAGE cost per employee is $93,983.

Just a casual look at "Police, Uniformed Patrol, Dept. 2130" (page 120 of the Budget) has 1 Major, 3 Captains and 11 Sergeants for 10 police officers.
Is that a bit "top heavy"?

And that's NOT even the whole story.

Look at the disparity between the safety forces and most of the other departments.
How did the City get here and how can the City afford it?
I hope this will help you a bit to see the big picture.


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As usual, Csaba has done his research.

Below, the schedule for HB City Commission/City Manager Workshops and Special Meetings as it appeared at Hallandale Beach City Hall when I snapped this photo of it on June 20th:


Click on the image to see it more clearly.

Thursday, May 26, 2011

If Obamacare is so great, why do so many people want no part of it, esp. Union members? Barone: O Skirts Rule of Law to Reward Pals, Punish Enemies

The Beltway story du jour involves the ever-reliable and observant Michael Barone of the Washington Examiner explaining something in detail that you may have heard a little about about on the radio or TV, but never got an adequate explanation for -the overwhelming evidence of favoritism among Obama supporters in gaining waivers from provisions of Obamcare they said everyone had to obey.
Or as he puts it,
"Examples of crony capitalism, bailout favoritism and gangster government."

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Washington Examiner
Obama Skirts Rule of Law to Reward Pals, Punish Enemies
A Commentary By Michael Barone
Thursday, May 26, 2011

Question: What do the following have in common? Eckert Cold Storage Co., Kerly Homes of Yuma, Classic Party Rentals, West Coast Turf Inc., Ellenbecker Investment Group Inc., Only in San Francisco, Hotel Nikko, International Pacific Halibut Commission, City of Puyallup, Local 485 Health and Welfare Fund, Chicago Plastering Institute Health & Welfare Fund, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Tennessee, Teamsters Local 522 Fund Welfare Fund Roofers Division, StayWell Saipan Basic Plan, CIGNA, Caribbean Workers' Voluntary Employees' Beneficiary Health and Welfare Plan.

Answer: They are all among the 1,372 businesses, state and local governments, labor unions and insurers, covering 3,095,593 individuals or families, that have been granted a waiver from Obamacare by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius.
Read the rest of the essay at:

Friday, January 21, 2011

Intimidation tactics of union-backed anti-Walmart goon squads in D.C. are ticking time bombs. "Boom goes the dynamite!"



Fox News Channel January 20, 2011
Megyn Kelly interviews Fortune magazine's Nina Easton about orchestrated union efforts to intimidate people in their own homes because of labor's opposition to a Walmart in to D.C. I actually saw this broadcast LIVE today, and knew I had to post it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBzBER4YcjU

Speaking of liberal hypocrisy in-action - 'Hoisted on their own petard Dept.'- in conclusion, Chicago...


Before the first Wal-Mart store in Chicago was finally approved, some of the most vehemently anti-
Walmart voices on the Chicago City Council used their city-issued office debit/credit cards to make purchases at suburban Big Box stores, even while they decried... oh, you know... the pernicious effect that having them located within the oh-so august Chicago city limits, blah, blah.

But when these same Chicago council members could save some money -and on city taxes- especially for office supplies and party favors, get out of their way!
Here they come with their taxpayer-funded cards!

LOL!


If you never heard about that issue, much of that information emerged in Chicagoland news outlets from clever public records requests.

Well-timed, surgically-applied public records requests do a lot of amazing things when you know what to ask for and know what your rights are -and are keen to let others know that you're asking for, since it aligns with what others have done.

In the next few weeks and months, more than ever, I'll be doing a lot of PRR at Hallandale Beach City Hall, the Broward County School Board HQ, and the Broward County Commission, where in the case of the latter, I'll be zeroing-in on certain matters involving Stacy Ritter, Kristin Jacobs and the invisible presence that is-or-was Ilene Lieberman.

Three uninspiring, unappealing female elected officials in Broward County whom it's fair to say I loathe, and not just a little bit, for their actions, attitude, words and behavior.

Yes, more fun times are definitely ahead!





Chicago's First Wal-Mart! (Whoop-di-do.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkR55-dpYFk

June 29, 2010 video of Mayor Richard M. Daley on Walmart in Chicago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_I1IAYdado


Chicago City Council Approves New Walmart in Pullman Park: MyFoxCHICAGO.com


June 30, 2010

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/walmart-gun-ban-city-council-meeting-chicago-aldermen-vote-20100630

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Walmart Eyes North Side Store Location in Lakeview: MyFoxCHICAGO.com


December 9, 2010

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/walmart-wal-mart-north-side-lakeview-stores-chicago-20101209

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New York Daily News
Walmart's been a boon to Chicago: An alderwoman says she's seen it with her own eyes

By Emma Mitts
January 9th 2011, 4:00 AM

Read more at:
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/01/09/2011-01-09_walmarts_been_a_boon_to_chicago.html

Tuesday, January 18, 2011

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie on making tough decisions -Fox News Sunday; he's NOT interested in running for President in 2012


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ScqNYCVb1g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTiHz9D1ckA
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie on making tough decisions -Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, January 16, 2011; he's NOT interested in running for President in 2012



Governor Christie Responds To Teacher During Town Hall

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuTm-ON904


New York Times
Public Workers Facing Outrage as Budget Crises Grow
By Michael Powell
Published: January 1, 2011

FLEMINGTON, N.J. — Ever since Marie Corfield’s confrontation with Gov. Chris Christie this fall over the state’s education cuts became a YouTube classic, she has received a stream of vituperative e-mails and Facebook postings.


Marie Corfield, a teacher in Flemington, N.J., challenged Gov. Chris Christie over state education cuts at a town hall meeting in September. Their tense exchange was posted on YouTube.

“People I don’t even know are calling me horrible names,” said Ms. Corfield, an art teacher who had pleaded the case of struggling teachers. “The mantra is that the problem is the unions, the unions, the unions.”

Read the rest of the article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/02/business/02showdown.html




New Jersey Governor Chris Christie: Day of Reckoning
Governor Christie speaks on accountability at a Town Hall meeting in Perth Amboy, N.J., June 15, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evtt-R7Rmdw

Wednesday, January 5, 2011

Logic & reason are orphans once again in Hallandale Beach - In bad economy, 10% wage increase for HB city employees. The Day of Reckoning is Here!



CBS News Sixty Minutes: State Budgets: Day of Reckoning

December 19, 2010 4:59 PM

Steve Kroft reports on the precarious financial conditions many states are facing and what they're doing about it.
Length 13:50

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7166293n&tag=related;photovideo



In the City of Hallandale Beach, it just never ends...

Agenda for Wednesday morning's Hallandale Beach City Commission meeting is at: http://www.hallandalebeachfl.gov/files/2011-01-05%20Regular/Agenda%20Outline%20for%202011-01-05%2010-00.htm

Below, my good friend and Hallandale Beach civic activist Csaba Kulin gets some things off his mind -and hopefully into yours- about the city's budget problems, which in the opinion of many well-informed people in this community are directly attributable to the benefits paid by city taxpayers to city employees, many of whom, in my opinion, fail to deliver a dollar's worth of service for a dollar's worth of salary.

There's an entire forest of deadwood in this city that needs to be clear-cut.


The Sixty Minutes video above is referenced in his email to the powers-that-be at Hallandale Beach City Hall.

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From: Csaba Kulin
Date: Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:24 PM
Subject: Ten (10% wage increase for HB employees



Honorable Mayor, Vice Mayor, Members of the City Commission and City Manager Mark Antonio,

Every time the Hallandale Beach City Commission meets it is a "clear and present danger to the financial well being of the residents of Hallandale Beach".

It is no different tomorrow when you will vote on a total on 10 % wage increase to the Local 2009, Florida Public Employees Council #79 members. The 10% is made up of 3% Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) effective July 8, 2010, 3% COLA effective October 1, 2010 and 4% ratification bonus. This contract will expire September 30, 2011.

I do not blame the union for trying to get the best deal for their members and the City Manager (CM) was not in a very strong bargaining position. First, he has to work with the effected employees, second, the City Manager just got a 10% salary increase himself. Why would the union agree anything less than 10%. Remember when I argued for a "symbolic" pay freeze of the CM, you did not listen to me. The CM could have taken the "high road" during negotiations and argue that "I did not get a pay increase either". You have contract negotiations coming up for the fire and police unions. What makes you think they will take anything less than Local 2009 got?

A few weeks ago "60 Minutes" had a segment on it, the Wall Street Journal had two articles (December 23 and 24) about it and the Mayor's last article in the South Florida Sun Times talked about public employee compensation, benefits and pension benefits and the need to control it. Bloated salaries and "gold plated" benefit packages are bankrupting local governments. According to some experts, State, County and City financial difficulties will dwarf the housing crisis in magnitude. Everyone talks about it but nobody is willing to do anything about. We all know it is coming but no one has the backbone to say "STOP". Every journey starts with the first step. You missed the last opportunity to say "NO" when you hired the CM, will you miss this opportunity to say "NO again"?

The Federal Government froze wages for two years, Social Security recipients did not get a COLA for the second year in row and everyplace you look private employers introduce new "compensation plans" which is pseudonym for cut in pay. Is there any reason the City could not freeze wages for a couple of years?

The COLA's and the 2.5 salary reduction re-reinstatement in the Budget Amendments added a little over 1 million to the 2010/2011 Budget.
Now I like to get an answer to a couple questions I have.
  • How much this new contract will cost the City in the 2010/2011 Budget?
  • Is this 10% on top of the COLA already approved in the Budget Amendments?
  • With the original Budget Amendments and this latest one, how much is the deficit in the General Fund Budget?
  • Where is the extra money is coming from?
Sincerely,
Csaba Kulin
President, Fairways North, Inc.
VP, United Condominium Associations of Hallandale Beach

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New Jersey Governor Chris Christie: Day of Reckoning

Governor Christie speaks on accountability at a Town Hall meeting in Perth Amboy, N.J., June 15, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evtt-R7Rmdw

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Sunday, January 2, 2011

Amazing N.Y. Post exclusive: "Sanit bigs boozed amid snow chaos." Go-slow a union tactic or just a few malcontents?



Red Eye: New Yorkers rip Bloomberg over Snow Removal
,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlUR2u63atQ

Red Eye
airs on Fox News Channel Monday-Friday at 3 a.m. and is hysterical.





A Slow NYC Snow Cleanup - New York Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEdZA7u545Q


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New York Post

Sanit bigs boozed amid snow chaos: witnesses

By Reuven Blau and Brad Hamilton

Last Updated: 9:19 AM, January 2, 2011

Posted: 2:10 AM, January 2, 2011


EXCLUSIVE

Instead of plowing, they got plowed. A group of on-duty Sanitation supervisors is under investigation for allegedly buying booze and chilling in their cozy department car for hours Monday night after the blizzard stranded a bus and three snowplows blocks away.

The city Department of Investigation is probing the incident after witnesses said four snow blowers blew off their duties to get blitzed, buying two six-packs of beer from a Brooklyn bodega. The workers then walked five blocks to their car, which was in 20 inches of snow in the middle of 18th at McDonald avenues near the F train entrance, passing the stuck bus and idle plows on 18th Avenue between Third and Fourth streets.


Read the rest of the post at:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/slushed_sloshed_fX907nPJIEevDILBvlYAtK


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Did Unions Intentionally Delay Snow Cleanup in NYC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9skEQJzGHUo

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RedEye Recap YouTube Channel
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http://www.youtube.com/user/RedEyeRecap

Fox News Channel's YouTube
page: http://www.youtube.com/user/FoxNewsChannel

New York Post YouTube Channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/NYPost

Thursday, April 3, 2008

Tallahassee Rules Against Mayor Cooper and Comm. Ross

April 3rd, 2008
3 pm

If you use choose to use the information in the DMS letter below, please be sure to credit me, "South Beach Hoosier."

Dave
www.SouthBeachHoosier.blogspot.com
www.HallandaleBeachBlog.blogspot.com
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Posted earlier on Hallandale Beach Blog www.HallandaleBeachBlog.blogspot.com

Wednesday April 2, 2008
1:00 p.m.

The State of Florida's Dept. of Management Services http://www.dms.myflorida.com/ ruled decisively Monday against the boisterous and all-too-often, self-serving claims of Hallandale Beach Mayor Joy Cooper and Commissioner Dorothy Ross, who voted along with Commissioner William Julian on March 5th to deprive the city's citizens of the opportunity to serve on the Hallandale Beach Police Officers' and Firefighters Retirement Fund.

This decision follows weeks of bitterness and allegations of parochialism and plain-old selfishness against both Cooper and Ross by active duty Hallandale Beach police officers and firefighters at a series of contentious and highly combative City Commission hearings, which featured dozens of members at the night meeting in February.

What was voted on:
An Ordinance of the City of Hallandale Beach, Florida, Amending Ordinance 2004-09, The Hallandale Beach Police and Fire Pension Plan to Provide for the Authority for Two Commissioners to Serve as Members on the Police and Fire Pension Board of Trustees; Providing for Conflicts; Providing for Severability; Providing for an Effective Date (Second Reading)(City Attorney)(see backup) CAD# 002/07

Since Julian's Feb. 20th swing vote against the city's first-responders led to a 3-2 decision to amend the city's charter at the first of two public hearings, threats of a union lawsuit against the city to reverse the decision and members seeking political payback, have animated and roiled much of HB's small political chattering class for the past two months.

The Benefits Administrator further ordered that the original language be reinstated to comply with statutory provisions and warned Mayor Cooper, "No further restrictions or conditions may be placed on these two resident appointees without jeopardizing receipt of future premium tax moneys."







In the near future, Hallandale Beach Blog will seek to discover how much money city taxpayers paid for the privilege of having outside attorney David Tolces sit at the dais for those hearings.

While his legal advice went sour pretty fast, Tolces wasn't without his comic element, as when he said in response to a citizen's question at a hearing asking how much he was charging the city -for telling the mayor what she wanted to hear according to critics- he quipped that the information would be easy enough for someone to find out by simply filing the requisite Public Records request paperwork.

Well, we'll see about that now, won't we, since we know that at least one person will, in fact, try to ferret out that information. For history's sake.

As it happens, the DMS decision was never mentioned at Wednesday morning's regular HB City Commission meeting, which featured city commissioners recommending votes against most of the Broward County Charter Review Committee's recommendations to voters in November.

With rare exceptions, the City Commission largely belittled the efforts and political handiwork of the committee that's worked for months throughtout the state's second-largest county to bring Broward County firmly into the 21st Century, and seeks to take ethical and member districting decisions out of the hands of county commissioners.

As is so often the case at HB city hearings, the agenda ran behind schedule and had the usual procedural screw-ups, as when the mayor plowed thru the agenda and the City Clerk twice failed to remind her to seek public comment.
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http://www.miamisunpost.com/archives/2008/03-13/031308newshallandalebeach.htm

Miami Sun Post
Hallandale Beach
Power Play
Firefighters, police rail against amendment to pension board
By Claudia Boyd-Barrett
March 13, 2008

Vigorous protests from police, firefighters and concerned citizens were not enough to sway the Hallandale City Commission last week from approving an amendment that would permanently assign to commissioners two seats on the five-member Police and Fire Pension Board permanently to commissioners.

City Mayor Joy Cooper and Commissioner Dorothy Ross already sit on the board, but its governing ordinance states that city residents, rather than officials, should hold those seats. The amendment that passed on first reading last Thursday changes that language to specify city commissioners.

Mayor Cooper defended her backing of the amendment, arguing that the pension board needed her and Ross' presence and expertise. Vice Mayor William Julian, who also voted to pass the amendment, said having commissioners on the board helps protect the interests of citizens, whose taxes fund the pensions.

Their arguments did not sit well with the police, firefighters and some citizens gathered at the commission meeting.

"I think this stinks of impropriety," police Officer Gary McVeigh said. "It looks unethical. We're just wondering why the adamant fight for this? It makes no sense to us."

Daniel Alford, a firefighter paramedic and pension board member, told commissioners he thought the amendment resulted in a conflict of interest for Cooper and Ross because they would be more interested in looking out for taxpayers than the police and firefighters on the pension plan.

Outside the meeting, firefighter union President Jim Bunce echoed concerns that the commission was violating the city charter by passing the amendment without a public vote.

The Hallandale City Charter prohibits commissioners from holding any other office during their term and says any amendments to the charter must be approved by referendum. Bunce said he would prefer that the pension board seats in question be given to people from the community with professional expertise.

"Out of 50,000 people in this city who could sit on this board, they're saying they're the only two that should," Bunce fumed. "They're stealing power that the public has to give them — they're just taking it!"

However, City Clerk E. Dent McGough said the city was amending an ordinance and not the charter, so it did not need a referendum vote.

Commissioners Keith London and Francine Schiller both voted against the amendment.

It was London who initially questioned the legality of Cooper and Ross sitting on the board after he learned that it is unusual in Florida for commission members to hold such positions. He said he feared the dual office-holding would open the city to potential lawsuits.

"By having two positions filled on both the Pension Board and the City Commission, we have consolidated the decision-making to fewer people, increasing the odds of a wrong decision being made," he wrote in an e-mail.

"Our City Commission should listen to what the people want."London said the Police Benevolent Association was threatening to sue the city if the ordinance passes a second reading.

Commissioner Julian said that the $80 million fund is currently in good standing.
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Miami Herald
March 6, 2008

Hallandale Beach commissioners on Wednesday voted to allow themselves to serve on the police and fire pension board.
The 3-2 vote angered many members of the police union who have threatened to file a lawsuit.
The union argues that city commissioners are serving two offices, which is against state law.
But the city's attorney has said that as long as the city's laws allow commissioners to serve on the board there's no conflict.
Mayor Joy Cooper, Commissioner Dorothy Ross and Vice Mayor Bill Julian voted to keep Ross and Cooper on the pension board that oversees $80 million in investment funds.
Commissioners Keith London and Fran Schiller voted against it.
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South Florida Sun-Sentinel
STAFF REPORTS
March 6, 2008

Hallandale Beach
Commissioners can be on pension board

Despite the threat of a lawsuit from the Broward County Police Benevolent Association, city commissioners Wednesday approved a law allowing them to serve on the city's police and fire pension board.

The decision, approved 3-2, is mostly a housekeeping change because the mayor and one commissioner already serve on the board.

Under the city's charter, the board must have one police officer, one firefighter and two residents.

Commissioners must approve the appointment of a fifth member who is chosen by the four members.

Union officials say commissioners have a conflict of interest being on the board because they represent the city's interest.

"I do not agree with [the change in the law's language]," said Officer Alex Vera, a union representative. "The [union's] legal challenge will come unfortunately at the great expense of the city's taxpayers."

Mayor Joy Cooper and Commissioner Dorothy Ross, who have been serving on the board, voted for the change, as did Vice Mayor Bill Julian.

"I don't believe there's a conflict of interest," Julian said.

Commissioners Keith London and Fran Schiller voted against it.

Vera said the union plans to sue the city, Cooper and Ross.
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Miami Herald

HALLANDALE BEACH
POLICE AND FIRE PENSION BOARD
BATTLE BREWS OVER A BOARD PROPOSAL
If passed, a Hallandale Beach law would ban residents from serving on a pension board, but a Broward police union is threatening a lawsuit.

By Jasmine Kripalani
March 1, 2008

A Broward County police union threatened to file a lawsuit against Hallandale Beach after the city introduced a law that would ban residents from serving on the police and fire pension board.

Instead, the law would allow only commissioners to serve. But Jeff Marano, treasurer of the Broward Police Benevolent Association, said commissioners could be violating state law by holding two offices.

"You cannot serve two masters," he said in a written statement. "How can we expect a commissioner to put pension issues first when they represent the city's interests?"

Commissioners are scheduled to take a final vote on the issue at a 10 a.m. March 5 commission meeting at City Hall, 400 S. Federal Hwy.

The city has hired an outside firm to counsel it on the issue.

"Based upon the attorney general's opinion, it allows public officials to serve on other boards if there's an ordinance that grants them that authority," David Tolces, the attorney hired by the city.

City Commissioner Dorothy Ross, who has served on the pension board for 10 years said there's nothing illegal about it. She argues that residents lack the experience in overseeing the pension's $80 million investment fund.

"I would be concerned for new people to suddenly be placed on this board making decisions," she said.

Mayor Joy Cooper, who could not be reached for comment, published an editorial in a local newspaper that appeared Thursday.

In the South Florida Sun-Times, Cooper blamed Commissioner Keith London, who brought up the problem of dual office-holding at a commission meeting in January.

"I have been at a loss over this whole circumstance and am not sure of the commissioner's intent," she wrote.

London said his only agenda is to raise the issue before the public.

"When I went to a conference, I learned that this was not best practice throughout the Florida Retirement System," he said. "This is not the norm, not even close to the norm. It needed to be discussed."
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http://www.miamisunpost.com/011708newshallandalebeach.htm
Miami Sun Post

Hallandale Beach
Breaking the Law?
City commissioner accuses his colleagues of illegally holding two offices
By Nicole Alibayof
January 17, 2008

A Hallandale Beach city commissioner accused the mayor and one of his colleagues of breaking the law.

Commissioner Keith London raised the question last week about whether or not Mayor Joy Cooper and Commissioner Dorothy Ross can be charged with holding two offices.

Cooper and Ross sit on the city commission and the pension board of the city's police and fire departments.

City Attorney Dave Jove said technically it is not illegal, though holding two offices can be perceived as a conflict of interest.

The commission will discuss whether an amended ordinance or a special election is needed to rectify any problems at its Jan. 22 meeting.

"Certainly I don't believe there's any credibility on concerns that were raised, but I am willing to sit down and talk about the issues that were brought up," Cooper said during the Jan. 9 commission meeting.

"No shame or any bad name has ever been associated with me," Ross said.

"If they ask me to step down, fine, but no one knows more about the pension plan than me."

The pension board consists of five members, two of whom must be residents of Hallandale Beach appointed by the commission, according to the Hallandale Beach City Charter.

Currently Cooper and Ross sit as those Hallandale Beach residents.

However, another section of the city charter forbids the mayor and commissioners from holding any other position, city employment or elected public office during their terms.

Three-year contracts between the city and the police and fire unions have to come before both the commission and the pension board, giving Cooper and Ross greater leverage to negotiate them.

"If that doesn't reflect two bites out of one apple I don't know what does," London said.

The commission wants to amend that ordinance by changing the terminology to refer to elected officials serving on the pension board as ex-officio voting members.

By changing the terminology, elected officials will be allowed to serve on both the pension board and the commission, City Attorney Jove said.

Jim Bunce, union president for Hallandale firefighters, didn't think the language change would be enough.

"An ordinance cannot supersede the charter," he said.

"The charter is clear and there are prohibitions; they should amend the charter and do it right if they want it to be legal."

Bunce worked as a firefighter in Davie for 27 years.

He said the same issue was addressed in Davie and the commissioners were removed from elected office.

His argument worried some commissioners who felt that the charter might have to be amended by referendum.

Cooper, though, said it would take months to create a code to address the problem.

"My primary goal and objective is to make the pension plan successful," she said.

"I don't think you could get more experience or more efficiency than with a commissioner."

A representative for the police union disagreed.

"We are not in favor of commissioners on pension boards," said Michael Braverman, attorney and spokesman for the Police Benevolent Association.

"As the certified collective bargaining agent, it's problematic to go to the same place twice; manipulation by government skews the process."

Vice Mayor Bill Julian and Commissioner Francine Schiller proposed discussing the pension board in greater detail on Jan. 22.

"Let's see how it plays out," Jove said